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		<title>By: DJ Orion</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2009/05/09/the-future-of-spotify-and-its-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-216873</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Using An iPod To Sell Zune Pass Music Subscriptions Musiikki vaikuttaa jo vastasyntyneen aivoihin The future of Spotify Interview: Nic Fanciulli Sasha interview PvD interview Joey Beltram talks [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Using An iPod To Sell Zune Pass Music Subscriptions Musiikki vaikuttaa jo vastasyntyneen aivoihin The future of Spotify Interview: Nic Fanciulli Sasha interview PvD interview Joey Beltram talks [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: *</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 11:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Once again an excellent post!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again an excellent post!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mika Peltola</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2009/05/09/the-future-of-spotify-and-its-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-216863</link>
		<dc:creator>Mika Peltola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Niko, You&#039;re completely right in pointing out the &quot;firsts&quot;. Let&#039;s see if the players in the telco-space are willing to make those leaps of faith. They might just have to. And as pointed out above, Google is obviously another one that might have a lot to gain from working with Spotify.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice to have someone like Spotify electrifying the whole field..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mika&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niko, You&#8217;re completely right in pointing out the &#8220;firsts&#8221;. Let&#8217;s see if the players in the telco-space are willing to make those leaps of faith. They might just have to. And as pointed out above, Google is obviously another one that might have a lot to gain from working with Spotify.</p>

<p>Nice to have someone like Spotify electrifying the whole field..</p>

<p>Mika</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jussi Mononen</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2009/05/09/the-future-of-spotify-and-its-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-216861</link>
		<dc:creator>Jussi Mononen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It will indeed interesting to see how Spotify can find lebensraum in between the big three: Apple, Nokia, and Microsoft, which are all vying for leadership in mobile Music. Microsoft (Zune Pass) and Nokia (Ovi &amp; Comes With Music) suck big time right now but historically it has not been a good idea to bet against these guys.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One possibility is to find a business model that is appealing to the operators who are really not getting their share (in their minds) from the big fellas. A long-term commitment to an operator could bring free or heavily discounted mobile Spotify access... That would be a differentiator for the bit pipe vendors.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An intriguing scenario is also Google: will they really be content to be out of the online and mobile music scene with its currently underutilized advertising potential?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or how about Liberty Media? They control 49 % of DirectTV and 40 % of Sirius XM (with an option for another 11 %). Spotify would give them access to an entirely new device class and audience. Spotifty would also let them enter the European market in which they are still weak.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In any case, it is hard to see Spotify survive AND remain independent. Given the geography and market developments, the odds-on favourite buyer to me is Nokia. They want to own the space, they have the war chest, and, badly need a shot in the arm. The factor slowing them down might be the heavy investment in Comes With Music and Ovi and the inability to admit they have mucked it up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,
J.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will indeed interesting to see how Spotify can find lebensraum in between the big three: Apple, Nokia, and Microsoft, which are all vying for leadership in mobile Music. Microsoft (Zune Pass) and Nokia (Ovi &amp; Comes With Music) suck big time right now but historically it has not been a good idea to bet against these guys.</p>

<p>One possibility is to find a business model that is appealing to the operators who are really not getting their share (in their minds) from the big fellas. A long-term commitment to an operator could bring free or heavily discounted mobile Spotify access&#8230; That would be a differentiator for the bit pipe vendors.</p>

<p>An intriguing scenario is also Google: will they really be content to be out of the online and mobile music scene with its currently underutilized advertising potential?</p>

<p>Or how about Liberty Media? They control 49 % of DirectTV and 40 % of Sirius XM (with an option for another 11 %). Spotify would give them access to an entirely new device class and audience. Spotifty would also let them enter the European market in which they are still weak.</p>

<p>In any case, it is hard to see Spotify survive AND remain independent. Given the geography and market developments, the odds-on favourite buyer to me is Nokia. They want to own the space, they have the war chest, and, badly need a shot in the arm. The factor slowing them down might be the heavy investment in Comes With Music and Ovi and the inability to admit they have mucked it up.</p>

<p>Cheers,
J.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Afront</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2009/05/09/the-future-of-spotify-and-its-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-216860</link>
		<dc:creator>Afront</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post Niko, a very insightful read. I think it will be another year or two before the music masses get past the idea of owning rather than streaming music, and even then there&#039;ll always be audiophiles (&quot;I can only listen to uncompressed music, man&quot;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your article mentions &quot;Apple&quot; 19 times, but I wouldn&#039;t underestimate Google and its Android platform. Recent reports claim that by the end of the year there will be almost 100 different types of Android handset (as well as Android-powered netbooks and toasters), compared with perhaps a couple of variations on the ipod/phone Apple gadget. This will provide for a massive ramp-up of people using Spotify for Android. Perhaps the future of music will be more like the current state of videogames: two companies own the platforms (Microsoft and Sony) while the publishers release their product on both. Of course there are some exclusives only released on one platform, but we already see &quot;itunes exclusives&quot; and even a few &quot;Spotify sessions&quot; now (ironic perhaps that Spotify now has over 500 iTunes exclusive tracks!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Niko, a very insightful read. I think it will be another year or two before the music masses get past the idea of owning rather than streaming music, and even then there&#8217;ll always be audiophiles (&#8220;I can only listen to uncompressed music, man&#8221;).</p>

<p>Your article mentions &#8220;Apple&#8221; 19 times, but I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate Google and its Android platform. Recent reports claim that by the end of the year there will be almost 100 different types of Android handset (as well as Android-powered netbooks and toasters), compared with perhaps a couple of variations on the ipod/phone Apple gadget. This will provide for a massive ramp-up of people using Spotify for Android. Perhaps the future of music will be more like the current state of videogames: two companies own the platforms (Microsoft and Sony) while the publishers release their product on both. Of course there are some exclusives only released on one platform, but we already see &#8220;itunes exclusives&#8221; and even a few &#8220;Spotify sessions&#8221; now (ironic perhaps that Spotify now has over 500 iTunes exclusive tracks!)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 08:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mika, that is indeed a very potent scenario. Having said that, I think they would need to succeed in two &quot;industry firsts&quot; at the same time:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Creating the first widely accepted mobile streaming service&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Creating the first massive installed base &lt;em&gt;with a high usage ratio&lt;/em&gt; on the &quot;old-skool&quot; mobile platforms. There are apps that can claim a high installed base, but very few that would claim any significant usage base. Even Skype on mobile doesn&#039;t seem to be catching on that well. Am I right?&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mika, that is indeed a very potent scenario. Having said that, I think they would need to succeed in two &#8220;industry firsts&#8221; at the same time:</p>

<ol>
<li>Creating the first widely accepted mobile streaming service</li>
<li>Creating the first massive installed base <em>with a high usage ratio</em> on the &#8220;old-skool&#8221; mobile platforms. There are apps that can claim a high installed base, but very few that would claim any significant usage base. Even Skype on mobile doesn&#8217;t seem to be catching on that well. Am I right?</li>
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		<title>By: Mika Peltola</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2009/05/09/the-future-of-spotify-and-its-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-216857</link>
		<dc:creator>Mika Peltola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for a great discussion on a fascinating topic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that Spotify has opened up a vulnerability in Apple&#039;s iPhone-strategy, at least temporarily. Making Spotify quickly available on non-iPhone handsets would weaken Apple&#039;s position against it&#039;s mobile competition. Nokia and other old-skool handset manufacturers should see Spotify as a godsend, allowing them to charge into the music scene and get them out of the wilderness. By the same token, Spotify could increase their &quot;installed base&quot; massively.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So 3G technology allowing, maybe the decisive blows in this match will be played out in the mobile arena?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great discussion on a fascinating topic.</p>

<p>It seems to me that Spotify has opened up a vulnerability in Apple&#8217;s iPhone-strategy, at least temporarily. Making Spotify quickly available on non-iPhone handsets would weaken Apple&#8217;s position against it&#8217;s mobile competition. Nokia and other old-skool handset manufacturers should see Spotify as a godsend, allowing them to charge into the music scene and get them out of the wilderness. By the same token, Spotify could increase their &#8220;installed base&#8221; massively.</p>

<p>So 3G technology allowing, maybe the decisive blows in this match will be played out in the mobile arena?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 08:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link, great discussion there! The first comments from Spotify&#039;s Daniel Ek seem to be aligned with my guesses: they will go for one or both of these options:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Creating an &lt;em&gt;open system&lt;/em&gt; that would increase Spotify&#039;s mass past iTunes&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Creating an &lt;em&gt;ecosystem&lt;/em&gt; around music data (as social objects)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can read from above what I think about those approaches. ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, great discussion there! The first comments from Spotify&#8217;s Daniel Ek seem to be aligned with my guesses: they will go for one or both of these options:</p>

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<li>Creating an <em>open system</em> that would increase Spotify&#8217;s mass past iTunes</li>
<li>Creating an <em>ecosystem</em> around music data (as social objects)</li>
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<p>You can read from above what I think about those approaches. ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ville Vesterinen</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2009/05/09/the-future-of-spotify-and-its-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-216853</link>
		<dc:creator>Ville Vesterinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice post. Shed light to the industry on how they work to understand the sometimes crazy like decision that are made by the big record labels.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s another take on the situation, which can further help you think about the situation and where it&#039;s moving http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/01/07/will-the-future-itunes-look-like-spotify/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks again for the quality blogging.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ville.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. Shed light to the industry on how they work to understand the sometimes crazy like decision that are made by the big record labels.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s another take on the situation, which can further help you think about the situation and where it&#8217;s moving <a href="http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/01/07/will-the-future-itunes-look-like-spotify/" rel="nofollow">http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/01/07/will-the-future-itunes-look-like-spotify/</a></p>

<p>Thanks again for the quality blogging.</p>

<p>Ville.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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