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		<title>By: Niko</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2008/02/17/what-is-art/comment-page-1/#comment-105098</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hehe, I&#039;ll expand my original (quite incomplete) thought a bit further. And it is to be noted, that the points I listed cannot be argued for alone... But:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;I think &quot;the best&quot; art comes from pure creation; not for enjoying oneself, not for fun, not for pleasing others, not for money or other material benefits, but creating for the sake of creating itself. If you wanted to be poetic, you could even say the art gets created &lt;em&gt;through&lt;/em&gt; you.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And yes, I explicitly want to define art as something enjoyable. I find most art boring or repulsive, and my dada-sympathy-anti-art-statement is to rule them out of the sphere of art. ;) Also, without spectators, how would you know if the art is enjoyable?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Art doesn&#039;t need to be paid for, that&#039;s true. This could be more a play on words than anything, but a price of zero is most likely in no proportion to the value of an art piece.&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I have a problem with art being a tool for shaking emotion out of people, probably mostly because I generally do not like repulsive art. And that&#039;s the kind of emotional response artists seem to be interested in.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also don&#039;t like the commercial vs. art mindset. I don&#039;t have a problem with corporations paying &quot;artists&quot; for creating enjoyable experiences. So does that make me anti-art? (I want to be! ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, I&#8217;ll expand my original (quite incomplete) thought a bit further. And it is to be noted, that the points I listed cannot be argued for alone&#8230; But:</p>

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<li>I think &#8220;the best&#8221; art comes from pure creation; not for enjoying oneself, not for fun, not for pleasing others, not for money or other material benefits, but creating for the sake of creating itself. If you wanted to be poetic, you could even say the art gets created <em>through</em> you.</li>
<li>And yes, I explicitly want to define art as something enjoyable. I find most art boring or repulsive, and my dada-sympathy-anti-art-statement is to rule them out of the sphere of art. ;) Also, without spectators, how would you know if the art is enjoyable?</li>
<li>Art doesn&#8217;t need to be paid for, that&#8217;s true. This could be more a play on words than anything, but a price of zero is most likely in no proportion to the value of an art piece.</li>
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<p>I have a problem with art being a tool for shaking emotion out of people, probably mostly because I generally do not like repulsive art. And that&#8217;s the kind of emotional response artists seem to be interested in.</p>

<p>I also don&#8217;t like the commercial vs. art mindset. I don&#8217;t have a problem with corporations paying &#8220;artists&#8221; for creating enjoyable experiences. So does that make me anti-art? (I want to be! ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tommi Vilkamo</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2008/02/17/what-is-art/comment-page-1/#comment-105066</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommi Vilkamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ps. emotional response = something that makes you &lt;em&gt;feel&lt;/em&gt; something, i.e. enjoy music, see beauty, feel sick, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps. emotional response = something that makes you <em>feel</em> something, i.e. enjoy music, see beauty, feel sick, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tommi Vilkamo</title>
		<link>http://www.nnyman.com/personal/2008/02/17/what-is-art/comment-page-1/#comment-105065</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommi Vilkamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I very much like your thinking, even though the criteria doesn&#039;t seem to cut it:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The works are created for the sake of creating&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So it is art, if the creation is fun, but the end result is not shown to anyone? Hmm...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The works are enjoyed by many&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So it ain&#039;t art if there are only a few spectators? Or if the spectators don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;enjoy&lt;/em&gt; it? (to me, some art is quite repulsive)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The price paid for the works is in no proportion to their material value&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why does art need to be paid for?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, here&#039;s the best definition I&#039;ve come up with:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Art is something created for the sake of creating an emotional response for the spectator&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How do you like this one? If you like this definition, how could we simplify it to the short&amp;witty core that could become a meme? :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like your thinking, even though the criteria doesn&#8217;t seem to cut it:</p>

<p>The works are created for the sake of creating</p>

<p>So it is art, if the creation is fun, but the end result is not shown to anyone? Hmm&#8230;</p>

<p>The works are enjoyed by many</p>

<p>So it ain&#8217;t art if there are only a few spectators? Or if the spectators don&#8217;t <em>enjoy</em> it? (to me, some art is quite repulsive)</p>

<p>The price paid for the works is in no proportion to their material value</p>

<p>Why does art need to be paid for?</p>

<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s the best definition I&#8217;ve come up with:</p>

<p>&#8220;Art is something created for the sake of creating an emotional response for the spectator&#8221;</p>

<p>How do you like this one? If you like this definition, how could we simplify it to the short&amp;witty core that could become a meme? :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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